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Themselves be used that way and i hope they learned their lesson. and then the final legal issue, steph, is if we get the witnesses' butts in the chair in front of congress what will they do? will they testify or will they invoke a fifth amendment right against self-incrimination. >> bingo. don mcgahn ran the clock for so long by the time he showed up people couldn't remember who he was. katie, let's say they do all end up in front of the house committee what are the chances given who we are talking about, dan scavino on that list, what was dan scavino doing before and what would he do after t...
Just -- i mean it should be a mark of -- the mark -- >> but in cnn's own polling, a majority of voters associated themselves with that notion. >> right. but i'll say republican folks who have not looked into themselves and are just listening to -- as somebody actually running a race who wants to be a leader of people, to really claim that to me is just such a sign -- >> i couldn't agree with you more. practically here, the reality of where we are. the reality of where we are is that this is table stakes for republicans who want to run in many venues. >> but if you want to be a leader and you'r...
Conversation about guns and we can have a conversation about infrastructure and women's health choices, and we can have conversations about the tax code and a lot of things. you can't have a conversation if you don't have a democracy. so to me the fight for the democracy is the table stakes. yes, it matters and yes, they're of great concern. if we lose our democracy in this moment, it is a huge, huge loss and i think the president understands that. one other thing i'll say about democracy. democracy is the only way that individual leaders can be held accountability, and that's through the vote...
Democracy isn't table stakes for our elected officials. you would think preserving our democracy is table stakes, and it doesn't seem to be. to me, if it doesn't happen, and i have doubts now that it will, it's going to be up to the electorate in 2022 and 2024 to cause the republicans to suffer devastating losses in such a manner that we can do this and preserve the democracy that we have. if that doesn't happen, all the people that will be restricted will have to go above and beyond and vote and cause the republican party to lose significant amount of offices. and that to me is the only way o...