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By efforts to marginalize him and say you are just an aberration. he's not an aberration. among the birther, secessionist militia, margin on the far right, this racism is one of the elements, it's like a toxic undercurrent. it has long fed the ideology of these folks. conservative republicans and sort of -- maybe less intelligent talk show types who jump on the bandwagon, the anti-government bandwagon, beating up on the new shiny object, the bureau of land management, without thinking about two steps ahead, wait a minute, who is this guy and what's behind some of this rhetoric. >> late this af...

But that takes time and leadership. i think president obama has opted too often for photo ops centrism instead of the real substance of it. i think he can be faulted. i think he has been genuinely trying to reach out and met more often than not with a closed fist rather than an open hand. >> peter, you put a lot of politicians on your list. not sort of talk show hosts. do you think the politicians are really leading the charge, not the talk show types? >> they're under pressure from the talk show hosts. i think that's certainly true. the fundamental -- most important thing to understand why it...

Trying to reach out and met more often than not with a closed fist rather than an open hand. peter, you put a lot of politicians on your list, not sort of talk show hosts. do you think the politicians are really leading the charge, not the talk show types? >> under pressure from the talk show host, i think that is certainly true. the fundamental -- most important thing to understand why it has been so difficult to get things done since barack obama was elected is the fact that republicans fill bustered 80% of major legislation, absolutely historically unprecedented. 19th century, filibusters h...

Elements, it's like a toxic undercurrent. it has long fed the ideology of these folks. conservative republicans and sort of -- maybe less intelligent talk show types who jump on the bandwagon, the anti-government bandwagon, beating up on the new shiny object, the bureau of land management, without thinking about two steps ahead, wait a minute, who is this guy and what's behind some of this rhetoric. >> late this afternoon, bundy gave another press conference where he tried to explain what he meant and it actually ended up sounding offfully familiar. >> i'm wondering are they better off with th...