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Trade agreement with mexico. i'm sure the democrats are not taking the position we should sit by and do nothing. >> alex, let's say it again. we are still in the talking point stage of this. this is the public relation side of this, each side trying to appeal to their base and put pressure on the other side. right now we remain at a stand still. >> i'm going to continue the conversation thank you. let's do it with our panel. welcome to you all. charlie, you first. these talks resume even though the president said he doubts any progress is going to come out of the meeting. so why have them and ...

She will have democrats put that on the floor, the bill that would reopen the government, refund the government for an indeterminant amount of time. it might be a stopgap measure for a few weeks, take us to the end of the fiscal year, that hasn't been decided. whatever they pass, can it pass the senate and would mitch mcconnell put something on the floor that the president has promised to veto? we are still in the talking point stage of this as kelly was talking about, positioning. there is nothing going on here. we are on a glide path. the expectation now is this is not goings to be resolved ...

Cassidy, republican from louisiana, who appeared just a few hours ago on fox. >> it shouldn't be hard to get to where the president wants to be. democrats voted for $25 billion for border security earlier this year. in 2006, obama voted for border security. it's not as if this is a foreign concept. >> okay, we're still at the talking point stage here, obviously. senator cassidy is not a member of leadership, he's not directly involved in these negotiations. you mentioned the senate will be in 4:00 in washington. expect it to be very quick. it is not expected it to be pro forma session, but the...

Friends" this morning and their is what she said. >> it is up to the democrats. we offered them a deal. let's see what they come back with. our goal is to get 1.5 or $1.6 million. >> democrats need to step up to the plait. it is up to them to stop the shutdown. >> we are in the talking point stage here, that's apparent which means they're still dancing around each other and everything is on hold and obviously this is christmas eve. the senate does not come back to session until thursday. ev nothing is scheduled and nothing is expected to happen. in a holding pattern here and notwithstandi notw...

Moment. the president wanted the shutdown but he seems not to know how to get himself out of it. we're still at the mud slinging stage. we're still at the talking point stage. we're still add the head fake stage. when negotiating in public talking about we take between 1.3 and 5 billion. this dancing on the head of a pin about whether it's a fence, a barrier. whether it's sage brush lined along the border. it rolooks as though we'll go io the new congress on january 3rd and take it from there. >> just to characterize this well because i've seen a lot of characterization of the president or rep...