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Nature of his appeal, what he's tapping into, how he was able to win an election with such poisonous numbers and what that could mean for 2018? >> i think democrats are trying to come to terms with that. there are 91 districts that are closer thank not the georgia six which is very close, and swung wildly in fare of democrats, although they came up short. so going into 2018, it is more that finding a positive message. it can't just be anti-trump. that didn't work. but looking beyond 2016 as a lesson for how we should message in 2018. you have to look back to 2008. to 2010. and elections prior ...

Selection for secretary of state. he was one of the people. it's interesting. his inclusion on this list was striking. he was one of the people earlier on who was more willing to embrace the idea of what donald trump was tapping into, the idea of populism, a movement across the country. admiral james devries, we hear that's not likely to be a secretary of state candidate. nonetheless donald trump recognizes more than anything else as indicated by the long list of name the import associated by what he makes of the selection. >> before we got off the air i got off the phone with someone who said...

Large. and as i said before, i don't think any of the qualities that he's projected in this very aggressive way, and the media's buying into it, he's getting more media in the past year than probably every presidential candidate for the past decade received. but the fact is, these are not qualities that lend themselves to a successful presidency and international leadership. >> this fear that's out there, that he's tapping into, and it seems as though there's a group of voters out there, you hit it on it, they're economically struggling. >> sure. >> and he's pointed to the immigration issue as...

He's tapping into, much like '96 around buchanan. >> of course, donald trump has a lot more personal money than pat buchanan did when he ran in '92 and '96. let me turn to the coverage of ben carson who we could also say was underestimated by the media. clear number two to donald trump nationally. and so, he put out a fund raising letter, matt. and he has been getting to the media on many statements that we think are controversial. and he says i've come under attack. nearly every word twisted and spun and blatant lies being told about what i believe that's pretty sharp language. >> well, look,...

He's tapping into, much like '96 around buchanan. >> of course, donald trump has a lot more personal money than pat buchanan did when he ran in '92 and '96. let me turn to the coverage of ben carson who we could also say was underestimated by the media. clear number two to donald trump nationally. and so, he put out a fund raising letter, matt. and he has been getting to the media on many statements that we think are controversial. and he says i've come under attack. nearly every word twisted and spun and blatant lies being told about what i believe that's pretty sharp language. >> well, look,...