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but is he a democrat or has he subverted democracy and undermined the cause of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna szelenyi, was his ally in the early days of the fidesz party. now she is an arch—critic. but has orban found a politicalformula — illiberal democracy — for which his opponents have no answer? zsuzsanna szelenyi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for inviting me. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. when you look at your home country, hungary, today, in terms of its politics, its political culture, what do you see? well, hun...

had simply drifted off course. sally is here next. now on bbc news, it's time for hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. viktor 0rban can make a strong claim to be europe's most successful leader. after four consecutive election victories, he's admired by cultural conservatives and nationalists from moscow to washington. he wins elections, yes — but is he a democrat or has he subverted democracy and undermined the cause of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna szelenyi, was his ally in the early days of the fidesz party. now she is...

of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna szelenyi, was his ally in the early days of the fidesz party. now she is an arch—critic. but has orban found a politicalformula — illiberal democracy — for which his opponents have no answer? zsuzsanna szelenyi, welcome to hardtalk. thank you for inviting me. it's a pleasure to have you on the show. when you look at your home country, hungary, today, in terms of its politics, its political culture, what do you see? well, hungary is in trouble. this is what i see first. it is diverting for a track wh...

from mr reznikov who hasn't been personally implicated in the procurement scandal involving the purchase of rations at inflated prices. now on bbc news, hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. viktor orban can make a strong claim to be europe's most successful leader. after four consecutive election victories, he's admired by cultural conservatives and nationalists from moscow to washington. he wins elections, yes — but is he a democrat or has he subverted democracy and undermined the cause of freedom — notjust in hungary, but across the eu? well, my guest, zsuzsanna s...

Yes, they do have. and of course, the government also has a fascinating tool of targeting media. so they really have a same message to share with different sources and channels. but let me tell you something else, because what you raised, it's a very important issue. so there are a lot of abuses and corruption allegations. the thing is that there are never any follow up because the state institutions, like the public prosecutor who should stand up in such a case when it gets some information about abuse of finances, it's not doing its work. because every state institution is actually nominated...