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These negotiations stand joined now by tina smith of minnesota. senator smith, good to see you. >> thank you, great to be with you. >> so, i want to start with the issue of paying for this bill because it does seem as if that is the last minute scramble here. and i know that in many ways whether you guys like it or not, joe manchin is the pivot point here. i want to play something he said because it actually looks like it's a path to something here. but it was the idea of a patriot tax. here's senator manchin. >> on the taxes people are talking about tax this and tax that and will change that ...

Move forward, take a vote on the infrastructure bill that was the only thing we have that's bipartisan, take a vote on that because the president is doing everything. he's working 24/7. i guarantee you i've been with him most of 24/7. he's working as hard as he possibly can to get a good, solid deal. he believes 100% of nothing is nothing. he understands that. he's been here 36 years. he understands how the senate works. we had very good, direct, frank, honest conversations. on the taxes, people talking about tax this and tax that, the wealth tax. i said this, everybody in this country that ha...

If you're to the point to where you're able to use all of the tax forms, if you can, to your advantage and you end up with a zero tax liability, but have had a very, very good life and have had a lot of opportunities, there should be a 15% patriotic tax. that's me speaking. that's not -- i'm not speaking for anybody else. but we've said, and we've all agreed on a 15% corporate tax. well, people in the stratosphere, rather than trying to penalize, we should be pleased that this country is able to produce the wealth. but with that, there's a patriotic duty that you should be paying something to ...

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Concern for chuck schumer in 2012 when he tried to convince his colleagues to caught the rate down. >> some on is left have suggested corporate tax forms could be a source for new revenue. here i disagree. to preserve our international competitiveness, it's imperative that we seek to reduce the corporate rate. this will boost growth and encourage more companies to reinvest in the united states. >> and neil, today some house republicans are pointing out that some of the points that schumer made there back in 2012 are similar to the arguments that republicans are making today. neil? >> neil: yea...