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Security say american democracy is under attack. what is your reaction to russia not only getting involved in trying to swing the election in 2016, but even after that trying to attack and destroy robert mueller using many of donald trump's same arguments? >> yeah. it's still going on. russia is probably better and putin is better playing a weak hand than just about any other leader on the world side. this is a country that has no economy, has a shrinking population, just over 60 million people, fewer than aspect stan. let's get some perspective on it. they stole military power. look at what t...

What they did before, like he got away with using force indiscriminately in syria and russia has its energy capabilities, has its cyber. they pieced together the elements of an influential power from a very weak hand and we continue to essentially -- we're teaching putin the lesson that this works. he's the not run an enormous risk. and i don't understand -- i had two questions yesterday watching all of this. one is either these russians took american undergraduate studies or they must have had some help. it was awfully sophisticated the way they were acting to use cyber, to influence on our e...

There's very little reaction to ramming the ukrainian ships last week. you've got theresa may fighting for her political life. you've got mac crone fightinger for his political life. you've got donald trump fighting for his political life and you've got angela merkel stepping off the stage. it's kind of like when putin went into georgia in 2008. george w. bush had more things to worry about than georgia. so what are the fears that he may move on ukraine in the next month or two? >> well, joe, he is a person who we've seen exploits power vacuums. he has a very cynical appreciation of american w...