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Love the details. let's start with -- one of the things is they're planning this in 2014/2015 to try to lay the groundwork. what kind of stuff was he up to? >> he got this john gauger, who is a tech consultant who works at liberty university run by jerry fall well jr. and had been doing minor tech tasks for cohen for years. so cohen says hey, i want you to help the boss win this cnbc poll of the most influential business people. and can you write a computer script to vote for him a ton of times and gogger tries but he doesn't make the second cut to the top 100. and as you've read, he complauns...

Payment to a tech firm should have been disclosed. joining me now are the authors of that cohen article. love the details. let's start with -- one of the things is they're planning this in 2014/2015 to try to lay the groundwork. what kind of stuff was he up to? >> he got this john gauger, who is a tech consultant who works at liberty university run by jerry fall well jr. and had been doing minor tech tasks for cohen for years. so cohen says hey, i want you to help the boss win this cnbc poll of the most influential business people.