And you're an old friend of us and we've always had great annversations and we'll have a lot of important topics to discuss today. >> joining me no w, gordon of th chang, senior fellow at the gates stone institute and author oe bookf the great b, the great us-china tech war. >> gordon, good see you. thanks for joining me on the angle. now, you say that she is using gates, other businessmen, as leverage with joe biden. explain. >> well, the biggest advocates for china. there american business lobbyists in washington and this is what think she sees jinping is trying to really leverage. he's got ...