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Procurer, who facilitated his abuse of young girls. ed gavin is the former acting chief of state for new york city child protective services, and he joins us. ed, this thing goes back a decade to that weird deal in florida that doesn't pass any kind of smell test. and ghislaine maxwell, herself, gives the impression as she's walking around that she's in on the's deal. whatever the deal is, she and other epstein associates are protected by it. what's going on here? >> she's been accused of finding teenage girls for jeffrey epstein. i don't know ms. maxwell, i don't know if it's true. all i know...

>> tucker: as you well know, they are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the way jeffrey epstein died. te overworked guards working for free, the botched there was another development that was surprising, if not more than that. the officials in the video footage of epstein's first suicide in manhattan are missing, apparently destroyed. officials said they recover the footage, remains to be seen if there's anything suspicious about it or what's on it. that's what we are talking to ed gavin, retired deputy warden for the new york city of corrections. what do you make of this? >> the fact that ...

>> tucker: as you well know, they are plenty of reasons to be skeptical of the way jeffrey epstein died. the overworked guards working for free, the botched there was another development that was surprising, if not more than that. the officials in the video footage of epstein's first suicide in manhattan are missing, apparently destroyed. officials said they recover the footage, remains to be seen if there's anything suspicious about it or what's on it. that's what we are talking to ed gavin, retired deputy warden for the new york city of correctio corrections. what do you make of this? >> the...

Rest of our lives while he will never face the consequences of the crimes that he committed, the pain and trauma he caused so much people. shimon prokupecz is our justice recorder. ed gavin is the former deputy warden for the new york city department of corrections. the a.g. said there will be accountability. where are we now in the investigation and what are the next steps? >> i think they're moving very aggressively. those were some strong words there from the attorney general. obviously everyone very concerned about what happened there. the highest profile possibly for a suspect, for someon...

Tell cnn they do not want him at rikers. ed gavin, a former warden with the new york city department of corrections is here with me and also a commanding officer with the efficiency accountability and management system at rikers island. so you know this place quite well. it is nice to see you again, sir. rikers has this reputation as we were talking because of the violent, hostile inmates. it is just that kind of place. and so to think of paul manafort there, what would his every day look like? >> well paul manafort would be what we call a cmc, a centrally monitored case and afforded protectiv...