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The blended interest rate was 6%. now the accumulated debt is $20 trillion. the blended interest rate is a little over two. >> neil: you mentioned blended interest rates. they're now in the flat wave that they all seem to press a potential slow down. you buy that? >> yeah, the point is we tripled our debt and our debt service has gone up about 30%. >> neil: you don't see the factors that normally telegraph problems? >> i don't see any of the factors that would bring on a recession. and the market usually anticipates the recession. i don't see another recession before 2021. >> this rally, the m...

Deals. if they thought the markets were going to sell off, they could get it done at a discount thinking the markets could move higher. >> monica, we were soft on the day. not great, not awful. when we get the news at first that we were going to hear about netanyahu talking about the people over this iranian stuff, it scared some people for a variety of reasons. either that deal falls apart, the world abandons it, you can make a good argument either way or telegraph problems for the north korean deal when the president meets with kim jong-un. what are your thoughts on that? >> think thoughts a...

I try not to complain about it when the crew invariably will screw up sometimes. but what did you make of this? i think you could easily telegraph problems with an interview she had about a half hour earlier with ryan seacrest which she took offense referring to her show, the reality show. i thought that tipped what would be a very long night. what do you think? >> i think miss carey is a pharmaceutical pain in the keister. she always has been. she's difficult, demanding, incredibly talented. when things don't go her way, she throws entire neighborhoods under her big bus. >> whoa, whoa. you di...