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The arabs will not tolerate that. and while i understand the attraction to the syrian kurds at a tactical level, i believe it's actually a strategic blunder because there's no political end state that's workable when you're using the syrian kurds to take arab land. so we are in something of a donenybrook here, to be frank about it. eric: let me first start with raqqa. what do you think is the most effective way to capture it from the caliphate, from isis, and who should do that, and where does that leave the syrian kurds? >> yeah, our problem has always been these lands are syrian-arab lands, ...

Off, one thing that we could use that could be donated would be a warehouse. we really need a warehouse where people can drop off. it could be water, it could be food, it could be clothing, it could be building supplies to help people or farmers -- eric: well, we've been listening to governor gregg abbott of texas. i mean, the tragedy of tornadoes, it is a developing, growing story you can see in east texas about an hour east of dallas. when you see those cars just flipped over, completely like that one. others are on their side and that devastation of those houses blown apart. at least five p...

Bomb them anymore, don't kill them anymore, they're our allies. is there any way to work this out? >> yeah, i think we can, but erdogan doesn't have his hands clean here. i mean, he kept his border open between turkey and syria that a facilitated isis to grow from several hundred iraqi fighters to 30,000 because he would not check them coming into the country. he naively believed that isis was going to help take down the syrian regime, but isis had no intention of doing that. as we know, they wanted to establish a caliphate, and they wanted to go south, not west. so he's got his hands dirty he...

President meets them halfway. >> he is not governing from the middle, he's governing from the hard right. that's why his regime has had hardly any major successes with the exception of tbor such. if he -- gorsuch. if he changes, we could work together, but he can't dictate what he wants, not talk to us and say you must support it. eric: could they work together? let's talk about this with scott baldwin, democratic strategist, and adam good match, republican campaign strategist and edward r. murrow fellow at tufts university. welcome to you both. >> good afternoon. eric: scott, do you foresee t...

Cleared out of the way. but congress has to measure up and do its part as well. eric: finally, scott, let me show you a clip earlier today. we talked to karl rove. he talked about tenor and tone and said president trump should slow it down. he said i don't think that's possible, but listen to carl. [laughter] >> act more presidential. he has bought himself unnecessary controversies by tweeting, by picking a fight with is meryl streep a good actress or not. this fascination with punching down at the new york times and cnn and msnbc, it's, it's puzzling to me. he's the president of the united st...