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Going to be afraid that the insurance they've got, they are going to lose, that's not true either u is it? >> no, and you know, there's a way to do this correctly and carefully and i think the president elect yesterday what he tweeted out, be careful. that's a good ammunition for us to bare in mind. remember when obamacare started, they weren't so careful. i was one of the 5 million people who lost perfectly high-deductible healthcare plan. so, yeah, do be careful. one of the things that really strikes me is i talk to people about this and i have for years, is they are tired of someone up in w...

In massachusetts, on your tax return you've got to submit -- s.e.? >> i grew up there. >> you have to put their proof of health insurance, file with it their tax return. >> i think that's right. and actually the only argument that romney had, and he made it maybe a couple of years ago but he really abandoned it, was the tenth amendment issue, state's rights kind of issue. completely abandoned it and the supreme court ruling kind of made that null anyway. that would be the only area of nuance he has to go because they are so similar. >> i think that sam made the relevant point. and that is that...

Out, there's a mandate everybody in the cup has to buy a product. that's a tenth amendment issue, 20 states right now martha are suing the federal government, and she is going to have to make a decision if she's on the court about how that goes forward with these 20 states suing. so where states rights come in, where is the role of the federal government, what can they mandate to the american people and i'm going to want to hear answers on that and this is very different from soth myior, this was not an issue because -- soth myior because we didn't have this unpopular health care bill that's b...