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Steady. he has -- they have that experience as a candidate now for four or five or six years essentially running for president so he has recognition. >> i think he's done well in the debates. >> he has done well in the debates and he has even been able to explain somewhat some of his what is in lay man's terms flip-flops. how he chose to take one position as the governor years ago, and now has kind of shifted gears and flip-flopped on some of these positions. he's been able to explain some of those. in those terms he has done well in the debates. but, you know, people -- i don't think that vot...

Steady. he has -- they have that experience as a candidate now for four or five or six years essentially running for president so he has recognition. >> i think he's done well in the debates. >> he has done well in the debates and he has even been able to explain somewhat some of his what is in lay man's terms flip-flops. how he chose to take one position as the governor years ago, and now has kind of shifted gears and flip-flopped on some of these positions. he's been able to explain some of those. in those terms he has done well in the debates. but, you know, people -- i don't think that vot...