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Policy and deterrence on the diplomacy side, stabilizing the relationship with china ending the silent treatment, and talks between leaders and foreign ministers, but also on the deterrence side, as you say, investing in new capabilities including the nuclear powered submarines that would give us a deterrent punt. >> and traders back to normal. >> trade at a macro level it continued because of the high price of iron ore. individual there are still trade blockages on sectors and firms, but in general trade it didn't slow down much to the consternation of the chinese. >> zanny, how does this loo...

Needs a small yard with a high wall and that has been widely interpreted with using u.s. economic weaponry to essentially push china -- keep china back in foundational technologies and in europe, there's a lot of concern about that because on the one hand there's growing recognition in europe and on the other hand, as you say, particularly in countries like germany, there's an incredible economic relationship with china, companies like basf and the german car companies wouldn't be at all where they are without china. >> very briefly tell me, what is your sense of what is happening in china bec...

And that is been widely in interpreted to push china and keep china back in foundational technologies. and in europe, there is a lot of concern about that. because on the wone hand there s growing worry about china, but as you say, particularly in countries like germany, there is an incredible economic relationship with china. like the asf and the german car companies essentially wouldn't be at all where they were without china. >> zanny, briefly tell me what was -- what was your sense of what is happening in china? because you were in china for the annual development forum. how do the chinese...

Nato is larger and stronger. in asia, i would say that he has managed the relationship with china as well as could be imagined. you see u.s. allies moving towards the united states. you also see around the world connections between democracies quickening. you see democracies reaching out towards each other, and this comes off the back of the trauma of the trump years, so i would say from an allied perspective, biden look good. >> you guys did that editorial, that cover story that i mentioned in my opening take. do you feel like that's sense of america's economic strength is felt around the wor...

And we are back here on "gps" with zanny minton beddoes and michael fullilove. michael, so you have these new nuclear powered subs, the chinese i'm sure are not happy. but australia and china have gone through some pretty rough times. the chinese had the 14 demands and then they blocked trade with -- >> pretty wild. >> with australia. where do things stand now? >> australia relationship has changed with china because china has changed. china has become much harder edged and they didn't like australian policy and they aemt itted a campaign of economic coercion against australia. it petered out ...