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Then you look at similarities and patterns. so an individual getting a large heavy vehicle like this an also yelling allah akbar, if in fact that report is true -- haven't seen that confirmed yet, but if that is the case, you look at the pattern and the similarity and there's a direct link that you draw between mass casualty, vehicle attacks in europe and what we just experienced here in new york city. whether it's nice or in berlin or a number of cities that have suffered incidents similar to this. the fact that he carried some additional weaponry to add to the terror effect of, this if it's ...

Multiplicity of terror effect if you can carry this out in multiple venues or multiple devices at the same venue. >> again, i want to -- let me just say, malcolm, i just want -- people are joining us and what we know and don't know. we have no indications of who was responsible for this. all we have from law enforcement, we have 19 confirmed dead, 50 injured, what appears to be some or the of improvise explosive device that was. it appears towards the perimeter of the venue in which ariana grande was playing a concert. no claim of responsibility. so people were just listening on it and make su...

Last 20 months, at least, two years, put out a string of propaganda. there was a picture of the white house at one point. there was someone speaking english, saying we're coming for you, barack obama. i mean, a huge part of what they are trying to do right now is create this sense, right, of this kind of unstoppable force across the world and these videos are intended to make americans scared. >> absolutely. everything they do, from the way they do their terrific terroristic combat, which we call terror shock value, tsv, by beheading their victim base and attacking in an asymmetric fashion in ...

Maximize that effect by using these advanced modern propaganda techniques, turning them around very quickly in very slick packages and getting them into the mainstream media and then you, again, you multiply the terror effect. and the media is a willing host for that. >> the media is a willing host? >> yes, absolutely. as a matter of fact, that video was really not intended towards the french populous. if you noticed that there was only one french speaker inside it. and everyone else was an arab speaker. they showed a couple of videos, clips of a former french soldier doing tactical training. ...

Former u.s. marshal service. it's one of the situations that you don't want to speculate about motive but we do know that the two targets in this specific case involve the united states military which raises a lot of suspicions. could be a crazy guy who hates the u.s. military or it could be something sin terister. >> that's correct. when you talk about the military it sounds like they had a motive. when you talk about maximum terror effect with all of the stuff going on with the military isis overseas threats, the concerns raising the threat level, if someone wanted to have maximum impact on ...