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>> paul wolfowitz, as part of the bush administration, were you and others culpable of underestimating the level of sectarian violence, warfare in the country that creates the potential for this kind of terror state to develop today? >> look, you use the word "sectarian," so did richard engel. this is more than just an obscure, shia/sunni conflict. this is al qaeda. al qaeda is not on the road to defeat. al qaeda is on the march, not just in iraq, in syria and libya. and we have real enemies of the united states and what we should be looking for are friends. i think when we stick with our frie...

Going to stay in iraq and syria. there's scores of foreign fighters, and we don't have great options for dealing with it right now with maliki in power and unwilling to share power. but we do have an interest and that's the hard question. >> it's so hard. how does the president go to the american people and say, look, i don't want this war, you don't want this war, but we have an ongoing interest here. the president did say he would prevent a terror state from ever developing after 9/11. >> $2 trillion investment, almost 5,000 casualties, as you said earlier. there's an interest here. the ques...

Higher incomes, and more security globally. we can do that, and i'm convinced that the field of republican candidates that i'm seeing is a lot better positioned to do that than i am, so i'm not running. >> 100%, mitt romney, even if drafted, will not be a candidate in 2016? >> i'm not running, and talk of a draft is kind of silly. >> all right, governor romney, thank you as always for your time. i appreciate it. >> thanks, david. let me turn to democrat senator joe manchin from west virginia, a member of the armed services committee. and senator manchin, on the topic of iraq, which is most p...

Underestimating the level of sectarian violence, warfare in the country that creates the potential for this kind of terror state to develop today? >> look, you use the word "sectarian," so did richard engel. this is more than just an obscure, shia/sunni conflict. this is al qaeda. al qaeda is not on the road to defeat. al qaeda is on the march, not just in iraq, in syria and libya. and we have real enemies of the united states and what we should be looking for are friends. i think when we stick with our friends, and those friends are not always perfect, believe me, but we stuck with the kurds ...

Iraq extensively throughout his career, dexter filkins of the new yorker, author of "the forever war" about his experiences covering the wars in iraq and afghanistan, paul wolfowitz, and from new york republican congressman peter king of new york, former chair of the house homeland security committee. welcome to all of you. david ignatius, i think, again, americans are looking at this change, a decade of conflict in iraq. how has it come to this point where any gains won seem to be evaporating and the threat of a terror state actually arising in iraq seems all too real? >> well, as we sensed i...