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Investment, why to you need america? we can get you china. of course, there's india. where one of our trump cards could be, fine, if you guys don't want to deal with this terrorism problem, we will let india be more involved, and that will drive the pakistanis nuts. >> so just to add one layer to this, the pakistanis perhaps properly observed to the afghan government, over the next 50 year, who is going to have the wealth and the capacity to exert strength in this region? it's not going to be the united states, it's going to be china. so playing on this global tectonic shift most people think ...

Counterinsurgency advisor in afghanistan, and also michael hanlin senior fellow at the brookings institution. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> shannon: you have spent time there and you've seen each other in the region. you've been busy. what do you make of the situation now and what the president needs to lay out tuesday night to not only speak to american audience and the iraqis likely to be listening as well? >> i think he needs to mark two things. first, he needs to mark how much this improve and how much better iraq is now than it was in the bad old days of 2006 and 2007. that said, ...

Cross-borders and so this is a reminder we can't take it for granted. >> it seems like the last couple of weeks, in the summer, we've been hearing a lot about terrorism lately. we have the suspected terrorists who were arrested in europe. we had eric holder saying that he was going to prosecute some other suspected terrorists as well. what's going on in this war on terror? >> what i think we're seeing, real examples of -- and you mentioned some of them -- al qaeda is determine tlud its affiliates to launch these attacks not just in the united states, though that is obviously the u.s. governmen...

Originate in pakistan. so should we be doing more to prevent pakistan from exporting jihad? and does the pakistani government support the taliban or not? we welcome in the man that can make sense of all this, former c.i.a. guy, counterterrorism expert and analyst and former head of the bin laden unit with the c.i.a., michael scheuer. michael, we understand the secretary of state said if it turns out the times square bomber was in pakistan training to bomb us, there will be consequences. we know he's linked to the pakistani taliban. tell me the consequences you'd like to see. >> there can't be ...

Shahzhad's father, also a retired senior air marshal in the pakistani air force. joining us now, former cia officer peter brooks, a senior fellow of national security affairs at the heritage foundation. and former cia intelligence officer ralph moett larson, a senior fellow with the bell forward center. thirteen times in the last ten years or so, peter. does it suggest he should have been on some kind of a watch list? >> well, certainly since 9/11, pakistan has been a major terrorism problem for the united states. the epicenter of radicalism. and i think that people that are traveling there sh...