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Mean i didn't witness him making them radicals. or i didn't witness him say things. i just know that tamerlan told me -- because misha was, you know, teaching him that it's not good in islam to do those things. i didn't suspect either him or tamerlan being connected to terror groups or having terrorist ideas. but i know that they had a lot of conversations about just, you know, islam and how islam is being attacked from the outside, you know, from the western countries and how islam is under pressure. but i never heard them speak of doing -- having terrorist attack

Know, islam and how islam is being attacked from the outside, you know, from the western countries, and how islam is under pressure. but i never heard them speak of doing -- having terrorist attack ideas. >> when did you notice a change in tamerlan? when did you see him becoming more religious, more devout, if you will? >> that was when he was 22. 21, 22. he just graduated from high school, and he didn't get into college right away. so he was having, i guess, difficulties finding himself. and then he started being interested in, not just

Had a lot of conversations about just, you know, islam and how islam is being attacked from the outside -- from the western countries and how islam is under pressure, but i never heard them speak of doing -- having terrorist attack ideas. >> when did you notice a change in tamerlan? when did you see him becoming more religious, more devout, if you will? >> it was when he was 22. he just graduated from high school, and he didn't get into college right away.