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in the terrorism tends to be a group thing. but when you, the reason why is it takes a group to form terrorist beliefs. that's one over-arching trend. in terms of home-grown terrorism there's a surge. it won't last forever but we can see it at the moment. >> let's hope it doesn't. >> phillip, interesting to see here in this particular plot they weren't targeting civilians, large groups of civilians gathered. they were specifically it sounds like plotting to target police military outposts et cetera does that surprise you? >> it does. this is a shift we've sceneriesly. police army military these are seen as legitimate targets more than civilians. people entering this sort of level of extremism. when people decide do commit an act of violence civilians are harder pitch for al qaeda. remember we had a hatchet-bearing man in new york city trying to go after police. in ottawa we had an attack on the parliament building not on what al qaeda would refer to as innocent civilians.