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Or anything meaningful in this decision, but symbolically i think kim jong-un is certainly trying to signal to the united states that he may be prepared to do a deal. eric: i mean who would think after all these years that they would want to close that? but what else should we see? ballistic missile development for example, pausing it but hasn't stopped it or hasn't moved to dismantle that capability. >> we need to be very careful. the kim regime has been outplaying u.s. negotiators for decades. they promised in 92 that they would stop their nuclear program. they promised in 94. they promised ...

State-sponsored terrorist list for the state department hoping to give the carrots but you know we just got kicked in the rear end overtime. what has changed now? you think that it directly is the president of the united states and his rhetoric? when he has said about "rocket man" and their need to destroy north korea? that some saw as being responsible? >> i think he did get in the head of kim jong-un. i think for the first time we have a president who is actually dealt with the north korean threat. the problem is, in the past we have had presidents i believe in both parties who kick the can ...

To improve the deal. particularly, on verification. what prime minister netanyahu really demonstrated is that the iranians were lying about the extent of the nuclear program. we have known it for some time but now we know more about that. that means that you really have to have strict verification. this deal doesn't have strict verification. >> dana: that has been one of the plaus, of -- flaws, of course. let me move to north korea. you have been asked a lot about it. how do you respond to the criticism that the bush administration should have fixed this long ago? >> well, we certainly tried t...

Strategic decision. >> it's a move in the right direction. it's an impressive statement this early. we haven't given them anything yet it may appear to be making confessions. this has happened twice before with north korea under kim's father, kim jong il, where he promised the george w. bush administration that they give up a nuclear arsenal never to deliver goods. it's a good time to wish and take them at face value. eric: 1994 the clinton administration made the oil and gas deal in north korea totally lied about it basically appeared president george w. bush removed them from the state spons...

>> the agent to south korea abruptly resigning, how is the president going to equip himself with some form of incentive for north korea? >> i think that's a very good question. the kinds of individuals in the state department perhaps or the u.s. ambassador of south korea or others who would normally be the ones advocating a substantive solution to this, meaning suggesting, well, if we give this type of financial assistance or reduce this sanction or lift that particular prohibition or take him off the terrorist list or we provide other foreign policy tools, the people who would be recommending...