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That the death can cult of al qaeda and isis will attack a mosque that is resisting them. they will attack muslim leaders that won't radicalize or kick radical members out. they have to try to intimidate and scare and dominate, you mow, the muslims first. and we have to understand how that works. >> yes. >> and a mosque like finsbury is under great pressure from the terrorist philosophy on the web, and in the streets, and like malcolm said, this is a mosk that is reformed and the leaderers reject it at every step. so, by being brave and courageous, it is going to make you a target as well. so ...

Territory in iraq that it's gained. he also told the world leaders the way to defeat that terrorist philosophy is to do just that, about which he is optimistic. >> it is not going to be enough to defeat isil in the battlefield. we have to prevent it from radicalizing, recruiting and inspiring others to violence in the first place. and this means defeating their ideology. ideologies are not defeated with guns. they're defeated by better ideas. >> presumably syria will be represented at the meeting tomorrow which means that bashar al assad potentially will have his representative along with his ...

Council on issues of terrorism, remind us twice, once yesterday and once this morning, that you're not seeing other people around the world question whether we got bin laden. so that there doesn't -- they don't seem to believe there is a conspiracy theory popping up that they have to tamp down. >> i'm assuming, chuck, that this is a delicate equation between providing reassurance to those who may not believe it was bin laden, but at the same time avoiding enraging those who still follow this man and believe in his terrorist philosophy. >> reporter: that's right. and carney himself admitted tha...