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In. and now we seem to try to erode even terry vs. ohio and you are putting police officers' lives in danger. >> tucker: heather, really quickly, where can you get crime statistics that you can believe?ge it feels like there is politicizing and lying about them? how can you find out what the crime rate is in your city? >> well, new york actually does a pretty good job of publishing crime data. what we know is a black new yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white new yorker that fact means we are going to have more stops in black neighborhoods. that's not because the poli...

Given police officers the right to stop someone if they're in fear of their own safety, they can do a patdown and they can even go in. and now we seem to try to erode even terry vs. ohio and you are putting police officers' lives in danger. >> tucker: heather, really quickly, where can you get crime statistics that you can believe? it feels like there is politicizing and lying about them? how can you find out what the crime rate is in your city? >> well, new york actually does a pretty good job of publishing crime data. what we know is a black new yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a sho...

Chiefs have to let their cops know that they are going to tell the public what the crime data is and that police going to where people are most being victimized, which is tragically in black neighborhoods is not going to get the cops in trouble. >> tucker: right. so, ted, i mean, when i was a kid, cities were de-populating because of crime. do you think people have forgotten what that was like. >> i think we are in a different time right now. and you are finding that especially in predominantly black neighborhoods, good people are fearful to just come out in the neighborhood because they don't...

That police going to where people are most being victimized, which is tragically in black neighborhoods is not going to get the cops in trouble. >> tucker: right. so, ted, i mean, when i was a kid, cities were de-populating because of crime. do you think people have forgotten what that was like. >> i think we are in a different time right now. and you are finding that especially in predominantly black neighborhoods, good people are fearful to just come out in the neighborhood because they don't know the difference whether good police officers are going to be there to help them out or whether t...

Liberal supreme court in this country's history. chief justice earl warren wrote the opinion for the court called terry vs. ohio in 1968 that upheld stop and frisk and he was joined by thurgood marshall, the first african-american to serve on the supreme court and an ardent civil rights supporter. there is absolutely nothing in terms of a 4th amendment violation for having a stop and frisk policy. in terms of the equal protection clause, let me say this, the judge based her entire equal protection decision, this indirect racial profiling conclusion, on statistical evidence. she must have misse...