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On the other hand, could it pass congress? well, that's -- if that's what you mean by doable, it's much more likely that joe biden's plan passes congress than kamala harris's. but, you know, it depends upon the election. if he ran -- if she becomes the nominee, wins big, then it becomes in part a mandate on that plan and you do have a lot of political momentum behind it. >> biden was saying that her plan will cost about $30 trillion. his is just a fraction of that cost because it's a testament to, i guess, what their aims are here, right? >> no, no, no. it's all about what you include cost. an...

Counter it. since it is there, already there, it needs to be fixed. >> frances, that last gentleman you heard from, david kline, he voted for president trump back in 2016. he lives in las vegas, a swing state up for grabs in 2020. and i think what he's a testament to, this debate is a broader conversation beyond just democratic voters and this primary process. but there are republicans and independents in places like nevada, like here in texas, beto o'rourke lost that senate race by just 2.5 percentage points. you talk to voters, there is also independents and republicans who are paying attent...

>> that's exactly right. and jon meacham connected the thousand points of light to abraham lincoln and said they were the touch stones of the american national hymn in effect. that was intentional. whether it was directly related to trump's speech or not. they were a way of defining president bush for this era and what politics could be, the way they felt it should be. and i think it was no accident. there were other moments, too. brian mulroney, the former prime minister of canada talked about the importance of nato and nafta. both things that president trump, sitting just ten feet away at th...

Be rescued by the national party. >> shows you the state of play nationwide. >> if there's anyone who can bring new voters into the fold, he has it. whatever it is. if there's a race that's going to defy the odds of a state like texas, this seems to be said race. >> every race we talk about the ticking democrat graphic time bomb and look at a few states. texas is the one that people are always most skeptical about. looking at other states like georgia, like nevada, like arizona. but the fact that we are, in this sirk cycle, talking about , it's a testament to, one, a very good candidate, but t...

And the downs. >> yeah. >> an unvarnished view. john mccain has a singular role, michael steele in republican politics. in our national politics. >> he does. he has been a stalwart. he has been someone despite how some in the party felt about him from time to time, he's been the guy who's always been in the corner for republicans across this country. never minding their political stripe as conservative or moderate, all that. it was the idea of what republicanism meant, and what it would mean for the country. coupled with this idea of service. that john mccain's life is more than a testament to...