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President undermine the national security of the united states for his own political end. so that's a really sad day. and it just confirms what the president, himself, has said. >> congressman welch, did this testimony give in the clearest possible terms yet the quid pro quo that some republicans have been claiming was not present? >> well, it did. i mean, you nailed it, really, in your opening. essentially, what ambassador taylor saw was that the policy that we've had in ukraine since 1 1991, by the way, he was appointed as ambassador by president bush, where we had as a goal to help ukraine ...

This case, you can't argue the >> congressman welch, did this law. testimony give in the clearest this isn't speaking a legal proceeding. possible terms yet the quid pro it's a political proceeding. quo that some republicans have we've heard people on this show and other shows point out that been claiming was not present? the way that impeachment works >> well, it did. is that the house side is basically designed to be like a grand jury process. i mean, you nailed it, really, it's about the collection of in your opening. facts. essentially, what ambassador in the same way that a grand jury ope...