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Taylor said today that giuliani's work created an irregular policy channel. who was in it, sondland, rick marry, volker and mick mulvaney. the aide who heard that call with sondland is going to testify behind closed doors on friday. it's another new fact. the republicans' defense of the president went from the obvious, that there was no real harm done here, we'll get into more of that later, to the arguably oblivious, that ukraine may have attacked our 2016 election, not russia. but they also made the point that neither taylor nor george kent who testified alongside taylor saw or heard anythin...

President undermine the national security of the united states for his own political end. so that's a really sad day. and it just confirms what the president, himself, has said. >> congressman welch, did this testimony give in the clearest possible terms yet the quid pro quo that some republicans have been claiming was not present? >> well, it did. i mean, you nailed it, really, in your opening. essentially, what ambassador taylor saw was that the policy that we've had in ukraine since 1 1991, by the way, he was appointed as ambassador by president bush, where we had as a goal to help ukraine ...

This case, you can't argue the >> congressman welch, did this law. testimony give in the clearest this isn't speaking a legal proceeding. possible terms yet the quid pro it's a political proceeding. quo that some republicans have we've heard people on this show and other shows point out that been claiming was not present? the way that impeachment works >> well, it did. is that the house side is basically designed to be like a grand jury process. i mean, you nailed it, really, it's about the collection of in your opening. facts. essentially, what ambassador in the same way that a grand jury ope...