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To give up their nuclear weapons? unfortunately, i think the answer is no. >> what victor cha is saying, he doubts they're going to give up their nuclear weapons, which al. >> victor cha is a very smart man and i consult with him a lot. i don't know any north korean expert that thinks kim jong-un is willing to give up their nuclear weapons. so if that's the case, we should be able to find out through testing diplomacy here, and we're going to need to continue a campaign of maximum pressure. i believe we have just begun to scratch the surface in terms of the pressure we can apply. not only on n...

>> so why did a deal have to be made? could the sanctions have just remain in place? and the status quo just remained in place? >> well, the counter fact, the administration based their policy in the fact, sustainable sanctions, particularly the russians and the chinese were not possible. at some point, the russians and chinese would break with the europeans. presumably we keep the europeans on board. at some point iran might make the decision to accelerate its program. the israelis would be put in the difficult position of having to consider a unilateral military strike. or the administration...

Sanctions, particularly the russians and the chinese were not possible. at some point, the russians and chinese would break with the europeans. presumably we keep the europeans on board. at some point iran might make the decision to accelerate its program. the israelis would be put in the difficult position of having to consider a unilateral military strike. or the administration would have to make good on its own rhetorical commitment to basically to use the president's words, prevent iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. all of these were very bad scenarios and you have a guy, an inherently ...

That they had august 2th. >> he will with the international energy agency has over the years i think more than a decade discovered clandestine. u.n. security council fashion. russian and chinese fashion over the years that the russians were lying and cheating. that's why they are trying to discredit the iaea. the problem is with this. president sounds sort of reasonable at first when he says we should test diplomacy. no one is against testing diplomacy. here is the problem. the clock is ticking. if the talking goes on too long, iran gets to nuclear capability. so it's not a mutual situation wh...