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Understood the situation, th decnuclearization was never going to happen and sure enough that's where we find ourselves now and that's where we'll find ourselves five graers now after donald trump is out of office. >> right. decnuclearization is a slogan. it's not going to happen. north korea took note. look what happened to you rain when it gave up to its nuclear weapons. look what happened to gadhafi and saddam hussein, didn't work so well to them. they won't do it. nuclear weapons they see is intimately tied their security. as tom said is right. we either have to go war and that would be ho...

Bomb them. negotiate with them or acquiesce. we don't want to bomb or acquiesce so we have to negotiate. that means you'll end up with some version of the iran deal that was the same deal obama had with iran. same challenge. and he got it down to the best he thought company. but ultimately, i'm glad that we diffused that we traded in effect military exercises for, it seems, an end to testing by north korea now both its missiles and nuclear systems. that's good. that lowered the temperature. but this will be a long, long slog. trump oversold it. the question is whether he's up for this long slo...

22 -- 21st century. the chinese won't let them do a significant deal with trump which will press china harder on trade. trade wars aren't easy to win and decnuclearization of north korea is not easy to do. >> john meacham, we seen with north korea which is classic example of the president favoring the appearance of success over the nuts and bolts of working and certainly it's a contrast to john mccain. on the other hand, i think about that video that we saw of mccain in the 2008 campaign. trying to explain to that woman that president obama was a real person, he was in a sense, a good man and ...