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Understand what is happening around these different threats to the american people including by the way the threat of white supremacist terrorism. and instead of investing that capacity, trump is hollowing it out, right? so he's disarming the capability of the u.s. government to understand what is happening either abroad or with threats that are coming here at home. and by the way this is expertise you can't get back, nicole. if you've got hundreds of years of experience walking out the door on a regular basis, you can't just replace that. so essentially we're hollowing out the state departmen...

Th nicole. should democrats talk about these things or should they talk about pocketbook issues like health care? if you want to be president of the united states, you have to lead and you have to talk about everything. you have to be willing to call out these profound trends that are shaking cohesion in our society and threatening the lives of the american people. and you have to talk about pocket book issues like health care and education and other things. and so i'm glad that democrats aren't shying away from this debate. i think the american people particularly in some of those swing distr...

Intelligence and law enforcement agencies. >> yeah. well, look, someone like sue gordon who had decades of the intelligence community, i hadn't the slightest idea what her politics are. and i obviously overlapped with her for eight years. and the idea that the intelligence community were career people. and the way in which the meeting could function, nicole, as you know, you go in a situation room, the intelligence kick it off by telling you what the status of a situation is. and then the policymakers debate what to do. in other words, they're responsible for the facts and the analysis and the...

Multitask and fight, fight, like a fight against domestic terrorism, it's hard to find everyone how far from normal we are functioning under this president. i want to get, too, on these ties to the fight against islamic terrorism because i feel like democrats are already retreating to something of a defensive posture on their agregula regression. so i want your honest assessment of what the democrats should do to stay on the offense against domestic terrorism and the ties to white supremacy that christopher wray testified to. >> this is a national security issue, a national security crisis, i ...

Do you justice here, ben, but just your thought on how these stories get lost. robert mueller did have the nation's attention in response to will herd. as we sit here right now, russia is attacking us. >> and i think russia gets better each time they should attack us. and to connect what we were talking about earlier, nicole, what happens if there is a massive russian interference in our election, what happens if they actually try to effect the vote tabulation. and there's a very close election and we're looking for the referee to tell us what happened, and the intelligence community's been ki...