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His former deputy is going to testify, he's going to trash manafort. the jurors came out rick gates we didn't pay attention to him. it was the documentation that got manafort. that's part of the story here. it's not cohen. cohen is not credible, it's the stuff behind the story that says maybe he's right. >> and just to reiterate it, suborning perjury is a crime and it is also impeachable, david, and i'm saying that not just out of thin air, it's impeachable because it has been used for impeachment before. it was one of the articles of impeachment for nixon. it was one of the articles of impeac...

On to congress. he literally has no choice but to pass on information regarding this particular crime to the extent that mueller lays it out, even if he says i don't recommend indicting because of department of justice policy because it goes to the institution to congress's role and they have a right to know what the president has done as another coequal branch. >> there's no executive privilege here. >> no. no. >> you can't protect this. >> no. >> i mean, exactly. michael cohen was not some adviser there are was not about policy. and this goes directly to mix son. th nixon. even if he tried t...