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their relationship and all that attention that it's getting. i'm probably going to get some hate online for making any comment about that. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon around. always a pleasure. the lever jake tapper starts right now 34 convictions. >> but what happens next? the leader starts right now donald trump takes to the mic, airing familiar grievances and railing against the historic guilty verdict in the hush money case. what the trump team's plan we're going to talk tell you moving forward. potential trump vice presidential pick senator tim scott will be ...

Seized upon in the political sphere to go after particular people in part of this investigation. >> let me give you one angle here that nobody's talking about about that barr exchange, and that is when jeff sessions was there, the president could claim there's one guy mueller with a bunch of random democrats running an investigation. this is a comey moment. you fire comey, you get mueller. you dump sessions because sessions isn't involved in the investigation, you can't say my nominee is overseeing the investigation. you get barr who just basically said when i see this stuff, i'm going to brin...

His former deputy is going to testify, he's going to trash manafort. the jurors came out rick gates we didn't pay attention to him. it was the documentation that got manafort. that's part of the story here. it's not cohen. cohen is not credible, it's the stuff behind the story that says maybe he's right. >> and just to reiterate it, suborning perjury is a crime and it is also impeachable, david, and i'm saying that not just out of thin air, it's impeachable because it has been used for impeachment before. it was one of the articles of impeachment for nixon. it was one of the articles of impeac...

Organization to confirm that donald trump suborned perjury by telling michael cohen to lie. here is what congressman chris murphy said when he read this news. listen, if mueller does not have mult am -- sorry, listen, if mueller does have multiple sources confirming trump directed cohen to lie to congress, then we need to know this asap. mueller should not end his inquiry but it's about time for him to show congress his cards before it's too late for us to act. phil, i know you disagree with this but what's wrong with the piecemeal approach? >> there's a couple things wrong with it. the first ...

The cover-up. it's the two impeachment proceedings that you mentioned, the investigation by the special prosecutor which was not about an underlying crime but about obstruction, about lying to the fbi that gets you in trouble. and so this big backdrop of whether candidate trump in his business dealings was compromised because of his financial interest in russia. could fill in a lot of blanks if that's actually the case. and if that's what's provable. i think what's so damning about this is not just the wow factor and that's a high bar, right, when we're talking about this investigation and thi...