seized upon in the political sphere to go after particular people in part of this investigation. >> let me give you one angle here that nobody's talking about about that barr exchange, and that is when jeff sessions was there, the president could claim there's one guy mueller with a bunch of random democrats running an investigation. this is a comey moment. you fire comey, you get mueller. you dump sessions because sessions isn't involved in the investigation, you can't say my nominee is overseeing the investigation. you get barr who just basically said when i see this stuff, i'm going to bring a hammer down. i'm going to tell you, barr will be one of the most significant appointees the president has ever made, because barr, i suspect, is going to crush the administration. the president's going to say, i never saw that one coming. >> but, phil, one of the reasons that i think we need to pump the brakes on the buzz feed reporting just for a moment is because all the corroborating evidence that you talk about, the e-mails, texts, phone records, i don't think the president uses e-mail or texts. and in terms of the phone calls, it shows that a call was made,