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In the country to shelter in place, seek cover. there are americans in ukraine right now, if something happens and an american winds up dead, that escalates the situation to a new level, that becomes personal. what happens then? >> amy: it does and we think there are several thousand americanss still in the ukraine. i continuing is personal already, ukraine air space is closed, nothing we can do on the civilian side there is a lot we can do to be of assistance including with cyber defenses. putin's war on ukraine is a war on the west, it is war on the world and he has got to be stopped. >> gri...

Of that when it comes to sanctions? how onerous are the sanctions? will we impact russia ability to bank and russians will not be able to bank going forward, what do you see coming out of tha >> amy: there better be heavy sanctions, todd, it will not be enough. g7 needs to do more than that, stop putin. it is not too late and we have to get in quickly in order to help ukraine fight off putin. it is just all changed overnight. putin sold off all the dollar holdings in summer, he is buckled down and ready for sanctions. putin will not listen to anything on the economic front, we need to do it an...

Ukraine with forces on the ground. i know what you mentioned before the assistance will any nation trust a promise like that again, get rid of nuclear weapons and you'll be protected? >> amy: you know how ukraine feels right now? alone. president clinton promised in 1994 u.s. would guarantee security of ukraine for giving up nuclear weapons. we're in a new world, biden has to make good on that promise by clinton to defend the democracy, give the assistance we can. we have a lot of aircraft up there now that can do a lot to target russian forces. our strategic priorities have changed, biden has...

Between russia and china if any sanctionss that the united states or eu, can throw at russia will matter. do you think china has enough -- china could support russia enough those sanctions don't matter? >> amy: that's right. china has given approval and agreed to buy more russian oil and gas. here is the thing. putin is far, far crazier than anybody realized and i think beijing is uneasy, it is one thing to talk about the separatist in the east, but this full-scale invasion, i wager beijing is surprised by this, as well. the prospect for instability is huge and this is just putin, he is the on...

Thinking pretty hard about what this means long-term for the world. >> todd: dr. grant, you said sanctions will not be enough, president biden said u.s. troops will not see action in this conflict. one of those has to not be true, which way do we go from here? >> amy: ukraine has not asked for ground forces, there is a lot the u.s. can do, intelligence, location on position of russian forces and we have to start supporting that resistance right now. look ahead, russia triumphant is dangerous to u.s. and europe long-term. it will commit us to guarding and rearming in europe at time we need to b...