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To agree. >> former president trump has been convicted on all 34. he should be held accountable. my question was is he going to jail? we'll see about that. he should be held accountable. related to what the president said, this justice system has not worked for black, brown, poor folk historically. it has been criminal injustice system. many black and brown people in the communities i serve have been victims to this. the president and democratic party should continue to focus on the people we need to turn out to vote in november. that's young people. that's people of color. that's particularly...

Giuliani has made this a circus. he has many great qualities. he was an excellent mayor of new york. he is a great combat tant in so ways. and he is freelancing which is the worst thing you can do in a seriously complicated case. this is a game against a group of people led by mueller who are smart and serious and they do not create circuses. >> there is a point to be made here that the loquaciousness is actually helpful to the president. not hurtful because this is going to have a time limit. there is no question this interview will be three hours, four hours, five hours. it will be some time...

Subpoena, which is challenged by the white house and they lose in the supreme court, or whatever it is, ultimately, he's going to have to speak. in the meantime, i think rudy giuliani's made this a circus. rudy has many very good qualities. he was an excellent mayor of new york, as we all know. he can be -- he's a great combatant in some ways, but he's gotten very loquacious on this. everybody is speaking too much. he's turning it into a circus. and he's freelancing, which is the worst thing you can do in a serious complicated case. you need people, good judgment, who are thoughtful in this, b...

Perspectives, that the experiences of many different kinds of people contribute to excellence? it's sort of what simone just said. does he understand that? >> well, listen, don, i sure hope he does. his spokesman denied these comments, by the way. i hope that's true because i certainly don't agree as an hispanic, as a trump supporter, i don't agree with these sentiments if he indeed did say them. i will also say this to tara. when you call us a circus, you know, team trump or clowns, this man, number one, is a navy seal, all right. so, he deserves your respect. he's a cabinet member. two, he's...