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And i think we have tried to indicate that, that this was never a matter of days or even weeks. it's going to be a matter of months and years. and i think that everyone involved on the ground there ought to be knowledgeable about not raising expectations. you know, every piece of junk floating in the ocean isn't a possible, you know, piece of evidence. >> because there's a lot of junk. >> there's a lot of stuff. >> it's been moved around by the currents and waves and whatever. >> and people get their expectations up. the family members are tortured by it. we need to just get into the hard grin...

Plane on their radar. the indonesians say they never saw the plane on their radar. both of them may have missed it. but if you look at the map, and we're showing what's going on, it sounds like maybe the crew was deliberately trying, if you believe the thai and the -- the thai radar experts and the indonesian radar experts, you may be convinced that the crew was deliberately trying to avoid radar. >> i think there's a lot of fantasy to something like that. i think if somebody wanted to deliberately avoid radar, i mean -- it looked as though they turned off the transponder. the acars stopped. i...