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Agree upon. >> sure, and talking about body cameras, apparently there was some bill to give body cameras to the police in baltimore, and the mayor vetoed the bill. >> regarding body cameras, they're great. i think they're a great addition to the police arsenal. they also are creating false expectations. the idea that cameras are rolling all the time, the fact video is going to be made available to the public in general, that's not necessarily the case. there are instances with body cameras where they'll be turned off. any time you have an incident, the automatic assumption is police are in mis...

Yourself, would this kid have been allowed to stand his ground, i worry that, in fact, we will see, despite the legal irrelevance, this kind of discourse about jordan davis as well. >> you know, it almost doesn't matter what the discourse is, because what we know is that there is an extraordinary link in the country's psyche between race and criminality, right? no matter what jordan did, no matter what trayvon did, when you look at a young black teenager, 17 years old, doing nothing wrong, the automatic instinct is that that person is a criminal. and when you look at a white guy like mr. dunn,...