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His ground when he shot to death a young man who was sitting in the backseat of an suv with three of his friends. jordan davis and his buddies were parked in a jacksonville parking lot last november when dunn got into a fight with them over the volume of the hip hop music they were playing in their suv. after an exchange of words, dunn allegedly fired his weapon eight or nine times at close range, striking only jordan two times, fatally. davis died that excuse me, yes, jordan davis died that night, and dunn now faces charges, first-degree murder and attempted murder, to which he has pled not guilty. he claims he opened fire after one of the teens pulled out a shotgun. no weapons were ever recovered from the scene. joining me now from jacksonville, florida, are ron davis, jordan s father, and his family s attorney, john phillips. they re going to be with us in just a moment. but let me come out first to the panel and ask this question, should we be expecting to see ....
Understand where these stories fit in. i want to listen to the president talking about the stand your ground laws for just a second and then ask you about one part of it. and for those who resist that idea that we should think about something like the stand your ground laws, i just ask people to consider, if trayvon martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk? and do we actually think that he would have been justified in shooting mr. zimmerman, who had followed him in a car, because he felt threatened? i m going to ask you about that justification in just one moment. but we do now have, joining us from jacksonville, florida, ron davis, jordan s father, and his family s attorney, john phillips. mr. davis, i want to start with you, because i assume that the zimmerman verdict is something that is especially impactful for ....
Yourself, would this kid have been allowed to stand his ground, i worry that, in fact, we will see, despite the legal irrelevance, this kind of discourse about jordan davis as well. you know, it almost doesn t matter what the discourse is, because what we know is that there is an extraordinary link in the country s psyche between race and criminality, right? no matter what jordan did, no matter what trayvon did, when you look at a young black teenager, 17 years old, doing nothing wrong, the automatic instinct is that that person is a criminal. and when you look at a white guy like mr. dunn, the automatic assumption is that he s not. and those judgments come into a courtroom whether or not there s evidence put on or not. and the stand your ground heightened that in many ways. part of what i m asking here, is if tomorrow we could wave our magic progressive wand, make alec go away and take with them all of their laws and one of them would be stand your ground, would that change the dy ....
Known. should we expect a similar kind of demonization of jordan davis to occur that we have seen and continue to see around trayvon martin? or are there reasons you think this will be quiet different? it will be quite different. the difference is, and absolutely, my heart goes out to sybrina. and i mean no disrespect. but the difference is, at least there was interaction between trayvon and michael and george zimmerman. michael dunn, you know, what jordan was doing before this, jordan s character has nothing to do, because he was just sitting in a car and got ten rounds unloaded on him. so there s really no past that s any relevance, whatsoever, to this incident. so, let me ask you, christina, so that s the most hopeful reading of this that i can imagine, but then i just, you know, defense attorneys put on a vigorous defense for their clients, as the system says they should, and when i hear my president say, hey, ask ....