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Play out in front of a reporter yesterday when you actually had somebody that worked on the border, good men and women working on the border, trying the keep our border safe, talking about how the policy was terrible for these children. and then somebody from the department of hhs actually debating them, oh, no, this is everything. and then the person who was responsible working says, nope, that's actually not the case. this would have never happened without donald trump separation policy. >> and those are people on the ground who have to exude this policy, and some of them kind of wondering w...

And then another sound bite, hopefully people will get the message and pass different immigration law knowing that this would be something to send a message using these children as lere then pulling back on that the other day saying, well, i actually didn't think they would be separated. that's the attorney general. you have ivanka trump who's tweeting -- >> by the way, warning, if you come to america, you will be separated. >> and ivanka pulling back on the disastrous policy, the buffoon-like policy that has been cruel and inhumane to children, congratulations president trump, trying to make ...

Katrina, there were people who went over to mississippi, louisiana after katrina hit, i saw one by one them taking the bush/cheney bumper stickers o the back of their minivans. this is not what donald trump expected. >> no, it'snot, joe and you always have to look past what trump says to what he does and figure out what is the motivation. he instituted this policy clearly to stoke some sort of enthusiasm in the form of resentment and anger among his base because he is scared beyond belief of the prospect of l either house of congress, especially the house of representatives, the vulnerable one...

Cuba. it doesn't happen that way in venezuela or russia so this is a difficult situation but at the end i think most americans got the result that we wanted which was to stop this. >> and congressman, again, just to underline the fact you've spoken out forcefully against this policy from day one. let me ask you about the fixes. some people are talking about getting rid of flores so the children can stay with the parents even if they're incarcerated for more than 20 days. that has issues, ted cruz talked about sending more lawyers down there, something that i think is a good idea, so you can pr...

And we have to keep families together as much as possible. >> amen. >> congressman steve schmidt, good morning. t i'm going ask you a yes or no question. appreciate your evangelism for catholic charities but i'm going ask you a question as a political leader. is this policy immoral and cruel? yes or no? >> i believe so and i've spoken out against it since day one. >> so when we hear mike pence, for example, say in his platitudes to the country "i'm a christian, i'm a conservative, i'm a republican in that order" why shouldn't i think he's a fraud? >> well, you can think whatever you want about...