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Sanctions for something of value, that's also a crime. so what matters is the details, the devil's in the details. and ultimately what i'm hopeful for is given that there was i think eight people present at that meeting is that mr. mueller and his team will get to the bottom of exactly what happened. >> which brings us to the next point. you start out with a few people in the meeting and it's about adoption. >> right. >> suddenly you're at six and seven and then maybe eight people in the meeting. >> right. but it wasn't about adoption. people are just saying that. it sounds so patronizing. it ...

And outside counsel and won't have anything else to add beyond that today. >> go ahead, april. that was pretty luke-warm, though. >> it was luke-warm, but the devil's in the details and nuances. the president did not tweet this. he gave it to sarah huckabee sanders to read. it was basically almost 140 characters. he could have tweeted this, but this was so important -- >> not even on camera. >> right, not even on camera, but he wanted his spokesperson from that white house podium to deliver that statement. but we kept peppering. we kept peppering sarah huckabee sanders about it. i even asked h...

Have trump has repeatedly put himself out there as an ally and a friend to israel. his rhetoric has certainly said that but then you also have again the domestic controversy kind of leaking in, which is that in that meeting russian foreign minister last week he did disclose highly classified information that came from, and we've seen it confirmed the israeli intelligence forces so i think that that is kind of a soft spot where there would be other places of optimism, that's something that is certainly something that has to be overcome in the next leg of this trip. right? so i think that there ...

It's the first step in the right direction, but i like what they said, they were realists, they said we're not going to get it done by august, if we get it done by the end of the year. so to me, i actually like the way they laid out the plan today. >> matt? >> no, i think that it's -- this is a very good start. i don't think that tax cuts pay for themselves, but i do think that it will generate some revenue, i think that this could stimulate the economy, put people back to work, which was one of donald trump's plans, the potential problem that they're going to have, though, is, you know, the d...

Be on that court for decades to come very likely, and that's a huge deal. the best days of donald trump's campaign as it related to unifying the republican base was when he talked about or released a list of supreme court justices. so he's done what he's promised there. nia's right, legislatively he's really nowhere. tax reform sort of stopped or certainly the talk of it has quieted. >> i got to -- >> i don't think you're going to see anything big legislatively. i think it's going to be gorsuch and some regulations that he has rolled back by executive order. >> i have a short time here. quickl...