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Sanctions imposed by the united states and its allies. are you looking into that? and would that constitute collusion from what you've seen? >> it's clear the special counsel is looking into that. whether the committee does it or not, i think is yet to be determined. but alisyn, you put your finger on something really important. the russians wanted to help donald trump. you know, the don junior meeting in trump tower. the exposure of the clinton e-mails or podesta e-mails. the russians wanted to help donald trump. the question is did donald trump or his people want to help the russians? and we...

Never happened. when despite all of that trump claimed he had absolutely no knowledge of the meeting democrats who didn't buy it often pointed to two phone calls. the don junior received from blocked numbers around the time of the meeting. despite speculation that those calls may have been to donald trump, the new york times report he spoke with nascar ceo brian france and investor howard norbore and he traveled to moscow to explore building a trump tower there. there are other ways trump could have found out about the meeting but the news didn't stop trump from declaring victory over mueller ...

Of repugnant things. >> an op-ed bringing skacathing punch lines. >> it has launched a guessing game like the other games, like pin the crime on the don junior. >> we are all shocked there was a secret group of officials in the white house that say they are trying to stop trump from being trump. that's right. they're taking him down from the inside. to witch kfc replied "i thought that's what we were doing." >> people think it is pence, but pence is pushing back. right after the speculation started, he denied writing the op-ed. he also denied having a close

To claim it. they're not entitled to necessarily -- congress doesn't have to say, okay, we're not going to ask. but the white house has at least a first cut at claiming it. but it does raise the question someone was in touch with someone at the white house, right? and john kelly's comment, we don't talk to the guy any more. >> it certainly affirms what we've been talking about all hour, that everyone is sort of in their own silos. tom, you cover this. let me ask you if you can bring some clarity. the white house not denying they were in contact with steve bannon's lawyer who we all know he's a...

Before that in the private sector is that the number one thing that he cared about, he was passionate about, was loyalty. more than competence, more than intelligence, more than savvy. donald trump has always sought to surround himself with people who first and foremost and sometimes only distinguish themselves by being unfailingly loyal to him and as you suggested the big lesson he is learning today is that the people surrounding him right now when he has the most power he's ever had, facing incredibly difficult decisions, the people surrounding him in this moment are not giving off signs of ...