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Committee'sed that reports on the two deaths. they had the ig reports of the activities earlier in the program. everyone knew that the program i was briefing was created as a result of how bad the agency had begun to do the work early on in the war. >> so everyone knew, the hypocrisys we will tauch touch on here, does that make it all right? are values being represented well by conducting these tactics that someone would call torture and murder? >> first, put the two deaths aside, they have been prosecuted twice. they were not a part of this program, deeply regrettable. in agency custody, diff...

That -- >> it's hypocritical. >> do we know the extent? >> i knew most of the details in this report, but hearing them and seeing them in print from the raw transcripts is much more powerful than hearing about the program. >> we want to get to carole lay, former cia director michael hay den will be on strongly criticizing the report. he says it's not torture and the investigation was politicized. >> as bad as some people think cia behavior was with regard to these 100 or so detainees. if everyone on the planet used cia behavior as the model, the overall treatment of detainees on earth would ac...

Operations had not defied white house justice department and cia orders towards those videotapes. that's why michael hayden had to go to the hill and say, let's give you these transcripts of the interrogations and see if you can recreate the fact that those tapes exist. >> david ignacious earlier we spoke with the former cia director michael hayden. you were there. i want to show you this part when we asked him about the discrepancy about his past testimony and there are many. i have a list of at least five between his testimony in 2007 and what's in the report. >> i was telling the truth. i w...

>> first, what surprised me most, mike, was just how unprepared the cia are or was for the job it was given to do if interrogateing these suspects. i mean, the really comes acontrols as a gentleman's club. they have one quote from an officer in 1978, basically, saying, we don't do these sorts of things. it's an abomination, why are you asking me? so they turned to two psychologists, two outside contractors to run this program. that was surprising. you see in the first year or two how disorganizing they were to create this out of nothing. that's striking. on the question of what president bush ...

For long periods of time. they were deprived of sleep for days. in one case, up to 180 hours. that's 7 1/2 days. over a week with no sleep. the cia led several detainees to believe they would never be allowed to leave cia custody alive. cia detainees at one facility described as a dungeon were kept in complete darkness, constantly shackled in isolated cells with loud noise or music and only a bucket to use. >> there was confusion about how many detainees existed. records showed at least 119. cia officials stated there were fewer than 100. cia records show that former president george w. bush w...