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>> i always had a few questions about it. >> reporter: the campaign, pretending to be your chief of staff. >> you know, i didn't know about that. it happened -- i was not notified about that until a later date. >> reporter: did you speak to him about it at all? >> yeah, i didn't know about it until a later date unfortunately. >> house speaker kevin mccarthy thought george santos' resume was questionable before revelations about his lies were discovered and there are so many lies. >> some of them. others, like the fact that his political person pretended to be mccarthy's chief of staf...

Beat. The reidout with joy reid starts now. Tonight on the reidout this is embarrassing for the Republican Party. Its embarrassing for the nation, and we need to look at one another and solve the problem. Kevin mccarthy imparting his limited wisdom to the caucus he briefly led as speaker. And with the world in crisis, republicans at this hour are beginning a game of speaker survivor. Were Behind Closed Doors a new batch of speaker wanna bes will be voted off the island one at a time. But we begin tonight with major developments in the middle east. More hostages released as the Israeli Ground a...

Just be that you're a bad cop if you ask, okay, well, what are the facts here? in the past, unfortunately, in this new era we are all called upon to publicly examine years' old or decades' old accusations and have respect for the accuser and the accused and a tough position to be in and going through the news cycles i have criteria of like, one, do we have a named accuser? we do on the record. that's important and credible. two, reports, we don't have them in the case. nice to have those to verifiable facts like the location or time or anything about this party that you can then corroborate. i...

Think to me i would say to that, what about the person that experienced this in a certain way? anyway -- donald trump. >> so we don't know -- we don't know what will happen on monday because as of now professor ford is not back to the judiciary committee say i'm going to testify. is this in your view kind of a game of chicken? i mean, i know the democrats want there to be a delay. republicans say let's hold a hearing. here's the date. what happens if she doesn't show up? do republicans hold the hearing anyway? >> this is an unfortunate trajectory of the entire episode totally unavoidable. what...

Mildly surprised that he has followed kellyanne conway's lead saying this is part of the process and expected him to possibly backtrack on that. >> or attack her. >> i think that is part of the process. >> what do you make of it? what was your reaction when you said he felt terribly for judge kavanaugh. >> i feel horriby for the professor and i -- it would be unfortunate, especially if the accusations were not true, but i would love to see the day when donald trump can put himself in the shoes of someone who has to have the courage to come forward and say that these things happened to them and...