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Prove? >> nothing. i think he wanted to have the intellectual debate about america that we had between ayers and desouza. he doesn't have a lot of problem talking about his past. however this is the first time certainly he's been held to account in this way. i read all of his sequester views in print. i watched all of the ones he did in sit down fashion. no one has ever -- the problem with interviewing bill ayers is he's smart and philosophical. he's an expert and defending his actions. i went at it sort of as a lawyer/journalist and took him through point by point. i didn't need a philosophic...

You want to explain something. what do you think he's trying to prove? >> nothing. i think he wanted to have the intellectual debate about america that we had between ayers and desouza. he doesn't have a lot of problem talking about his past. however this is the first time certainly he's been held to account in this way. i read all of his sequester views in print. i watched all of the ones he did in sit down fashion. no one has ever -- the problem with interviewing bill ayers is he's smart and philosophical. he's an expert and defending his actions. i went at it sort of as a lawyer/journalist ...

To hrn eave your ass out of my . >> it's not level of employee. >> good workers told me them cess, neil we can't deal with it. we're sick of it. we're looking in the eyes of these heroes and we can't deal with it any more. >> that's what it's like to work inside a bureaucracy, frustration and having to deal with red tape and paper work that's miles long and so it would be nice if we saw more employees but we do need to look at those employees that were brave enough to step up and are whistle blowers now for some of the issues we've seen in the va. >> they are out there, amber. amber, thank you...