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russian government to have this group of mercenaries cementing relationships with8j african strong men and other places. so i think them wagner group wil continue in some form, but it will obviously be closelymñ control led by the russian government. whoever they put at the head of the organization now will nogs doubt be not given such a long leash like prigozhin was lxgive. >> what does a war on ukraine without -- and not only prigozhin,! was on that plane as well, what does that mean for thez( war? >> the wagner people haven't really been fighting in ukraine for thehx past few months after that rebellion. they were sent to belarus and they really haven't6wiñ been do much so at this point, it would appear that that wouldn't have much effect. but i think what evelyn is getting into is could they be

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probably is true. something of this magnitude would not have happened unless poutin knew about it or orchestrated it. so think that theory is there. everything in russia right now is very murky. there's a lot going on behind the scenes. you have to say that thisvx sense to say that president putin wanted prigozhin dead. >> what does this had mean then for wagner? because they areñtñ[> it's a good question. i think most of us assumed that prigozhin would end up dead prettyut soon once he crossed putin so +%publicly, but there s the question of the russian government of how are they going to keep the wger in group alive because2it's use ful for the

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this country.i.i booing is allowed, but it doesn't change the truth. as donald trump plans his it doesn't changecd the truth. surrender, three of his attorneys now surrendered. >> joining us now is the former governor of new jersey chris >> this indictment is a christie.>ñ travesty. 6hz even being a successful top great to have you. let's start out with your best prosecutor in this country does not give you immunity from beinñ ìc% what was your best moment last night? >> telling the truth about a criminal defendant. >> a judge has rejected a last-minute maneuver by mark donald trump. look, if you're ub willing to maryland meadows and jeffrey clark. >> watch the knives come out. >> the mercenary leader who confront him when he's not there, how are you going to confront him when he is. challenged vladimir putin i'm proud of the fact a that i apparently dead in a highlywu was the only one willing to do it repeatedly and directly. because the truth does matter. suspicious plane crash. >> the main suspicion is this is connected with the state. and what also matters is being >> he crossed putin in the way he had never seen in the years able to say to folks, look, whatever you believe about the he's been in power. weaponization of doj or whether >> the question is who takes over these wagner operations. you agree or disagree with the good morning, everyone. we're glad yo5,mt with us. it's a big day ahead. criminal charges, do we really believe that this is normal behavior? what >> certainly. we want as a role model for our if you slept in, we have it[d a covered this morning. children and grandchildren? >> we were up for it. the clear answer is no. just hours from now, donald

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plane. but you cannot ignore precedent. there have been a lot of reports of untimely deaths for those who have crossed vladimir putin. so what does this mean for vladimir putin's grip on power in russia? and what does it mean for his war it ukraine where prigozhin's wagner group had been largely responsible for russia's territorial gains? joining us now, nbc news chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. he has covered yevgeny prigozhin extensively. there was word from the wagner group there was a second plane and prigozhin might have been on that plane. what do we know about that? >> reporter: so if you look at the wagner telegram channels and telegram channels that are wagner supporters, there's a lot of chatter about the second plane. was prigozhin on the second plane. is he still on that plane, is he still safe. some members of the wagner community, let's call it, are

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their value is, katie. >> lisa and vaughn, thank you very much. let's go back to news of yevgeny prigozhin. josh letterman and pentagon correspondent, courtney kube. i understand you have reaction from inside of russia. >> that's right, katy. we've now heard from a telegram channel that is associated with the wagner group that now says that they have confirmed that he died in this plane crash. they are calling him a victim of traitor within russia calling him a patriot for russia. we still don't have definitive confirmation of that, but that would seem to throw cold water on this theory that we'd heard from some wagner-associated groups in the past few hours suggesting that he might have been on a second plane and could potentially still be alive, but in the meantime, reaction now coming in throughout social media and on television from ukraine including from a close adviser to president zelenskyy

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security services, to prop up the dictators, but in exchange, they take whatever they want. in the central african republic, they take diamond mines and gold mines. i went to the central african republic with a team, spoke to people at the gold mines, and describes how the process happened. wagner was there, they ran the government, they patrolled openly in the streets, and when they arrived at a mine site that they wanted to take over, they told the people to leave, and if they refused they killed them or killed several of them in order to terrify the rest of the people and buried them right there in the center of the village in order to send a message, get out while you still can. that was their business model, and it was a successful business model because, well, not for the people of the central african republic, but successful from vladimir putin's point of view because through this proxy,

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>> reporter: it hasn't been confirmed but in all likelihood that was in the central african republic. he was taking a video with locals, including influencers from the central african republic. it was all but confirmed that he was there. and that would make a lot of sense. the central african republic, one of the poorest countries in the world, next to the democratic republic of the congo, and cameroon, extremely impoverished, has had decades of lawlessness and civil war, and the government has become, the president in particular, has become dependent on the wagner group for its survival. this is the wagner group's business model. they find countries in africa in particular that are weak, that are vulnerable to being overthrown by rebel movements, and they come in and they offer

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that. >> it is hard to hear, but he says he's not surprised if this is true. let's bring in courtney kube? what's your reaction from inside the pentagon? >> that's a pretty common sentiment that we've been hearing from american officials that if, in fact, this is true, if in fact, prigozhin is dead, that if putin has a role in it they wouldn't be surprised that two months ago today that the wagner group start its march through russia at the time with the belief that they were trying to take over country and take it over from vladimir putin and they turned it around and there's been a widespread sentiment among u.s. officials since then that vladimir putin would, in some way, take some sort of revenge against prigozhin for that action. i will say there's still no evidence or the u.s. still has no evidence or information that would confirm that, in fact, prigozhin was on that plane and whether he is alive or dead. one thing that viewers should know is if, in fact, it was a

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urging their followers to stay calm. nothing has been confirmed yet. maybe he sent a body double. they believe that he is a man or was a man with great survival instincts, great cunning and they are still holding out hope because it seems that there was two aircraft, both of them wagner aircraft flying together in some sort of convoy. and that one of these planes, according to the russian news agency tass and according to numerous videos has crashed, and was a devastating crash, an unsurvivable crash with the plane dropping out of the sky from about 26,000 feet and then bursting into flames on the ground and according to the russians, eight bodies have been recovered from that crash site of ten people who were on the manifest. and according to the russian, yevgeny prigozhin's name was on the manifest, so the assumption in russia, according to the

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