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House with the white house counsel's office and brett kavanaugh, okay, they have a problem and republicans have a problem and kavanaugh has a problem. they need a theory of the case. okay, there are basically two options. he's categorically said it didn't happen. >> can't say -- >> it can't be high school or something else. >> this should not be disqualifying. >> i lost control, blacked out. >> they're committed to denial. >> right. so here are the possibilities, one, she's lying. but for that, you need a motive. what they did, and i did to anita hill, was impute a political motive. there was ...

Something else. >> this should not be disqualifying. >> i lost control, blacked out. >> they're committed to denial. >> right. so here are the possibilities, one, she's lying. but for that, you need a motive. what they did, and i did to anita hill, was impute a political motive. there was a shadow senate behind her. i don't see that happening here. i don't see much evidence for political motive. my favorite quote from "the wall street journal" editorial page last couple days, they said she misremembered in a caldron of a therapy session trying to save her marriage. option two, i wrote anita hi...

Those as potentially corroborating materials? >> she -- she provided those through her lawyer. so i saw portions of her therapy records that i reported on in the story. you know, the first time she told this story was many, many years after it occuoccurred. the first time she told it in any detail was in therapy session with her husband. her husband talked to me on the record. he said he recalled her telling the story, recalled her using kavanaugh's last name, and even recalled her speculating that he might some day be elevated to the supreme court. and the therapy records show that she descri...

Therapy. were you able to review those as primary documents and assess those as potentially corroborating materials? >> she -- she provided those through her lawyer. so i saw portions of her therapy records that i reported on in the story. you know, the first time she told this story was many, many years after it occurred. the first time she told it in any detail was in therapy session with her husband. her husband talked to me on the record. he said he recalled her telling the story, recalled her using kavanaugh's last name, and even recalled her speculating that he might some day be elevated...

Putting her life on the line. six years ago, she didn't sit in a therapy session and make something up and have the doctors take notes in the thinking that brett c kavanaugh would be a supreme court nominee. everything in your gut tells you this woman has no incentive to make it up, where judge kavanaugh would have every incentive to deny it. having said that, the people on the line next monday will not be professor ford and judge kavanaugh. it will be the republican men. those republican men going after this woman in any way, shape or form, is going to be a suicide mission, no matter how they...