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People want us to address this issue. >> joining me now is msnbc political analyst mike murphy, former senior adviser to mitt romney, jeb bush, and john mccain, and stephanie cutter, former senior adviser to president obama. welcome, both. mike murphy, there's a difference between former presidents talking about immigration and talking about building a wall and making that a concrete issue that will cause a government shutdown. >> yeah, look, we just had an election where we litigated president trump and his demand for a border wall and the republicans got clobbered. now the republicans have a...