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Particularly if it will involves al ongoing investigation knowing less than we as journalist want to know. we might learn a little bit about the substantial assistance, if there wasness, on the part of michael cohen. and we might learn the scope of general scope of how much he is cooperating with mueller and with the southern district of new york. it may give us a hint of how valuable they think his information is. >> john, to gloria's point, when it comes to cohen, we still don't know how much he's told mueller, and about how many different matters he may have told him about. >> that is exact...

In political discourse at large. we have come to the point where it east okay to basically despairage a prisoner of war who severed his country admirably. there wasness of the dinner. john mccain doesn't dissever this. >> his legacy is secure. there is a belief that you can leak information and that's civil. it's uncivil to say something privately. penal look at this as junior high school. it's shiring negative information and comes off very petty. we understand civility should be privately and with the leaks.

Narrative in washington. in political discourse at large. we have come to the point where it east okay to basically despairage a prisoner of war who severed his country admirably. there wasness of the dinner. john mccain doesn't dissever this. >> his legacy is secure. there is a belief that you can leak information and that's civil. it's uncivil to say something privately. penal look at this as junior high school. it's shiring negative information and comes off very petty. we understand civility should be privately and with the leaks.