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At the time. he informed half a dozen people about his interactions with trump. even though he may not have tapes on his side. he has a lot of information. your new piece in mother jones is titled james comey's big message is donald trump can't be trusted. you agree, obviously, with the narrative trump has a credibility problem. if there were tapes that exonerated donald trump, why wouldn't he release them. if there were tapes damning to donald trump, why would he want to leave it murky they exist. >> figuring out why he says what he says at any point in time is a bum's game. it's really hard ...

Archive, the archive should be asking if there are tapes. there's absolutely no reason you can come up with why he wouldn't say -- every time donald trump says, you know, i'll get back to this. i'll tell you. in two weeks i'll have new information about the hacking, he said in january, that will change everything. he didn't. he doesn't. he says this stuff all the time. always two weeks. in two weeks i'm going to do this, bill is going to be written, whatever. he's playing a game, a tease. it's what you do in cable news, you know that, joy, reality tv, keep them interested, tease, tease, tease....

Associates, that actually in his history. >> right. >> then there's this intriguing thing my brilliant producers from "am joy" pulled because i had this memory of it and i've had conversations off the record with sort of people in and around the administration about it. remember when ryan and omarosa had this conversation at the white house. >> yes. >> back then omarosa claimed a white house media employee taped their interaction, called it nixonian because she was unaware of the recording. this was nixonian, they were taped. they claimed thereere tapes of the teraction. do you think the prepo...

Any tapes that may exist by june 23rd. joining me joan walsh, david corn of mother jones and chiron skinner, former member of trump's national security council transition team. i'm going to start with you. the question of whether or not there were tapes -- i say an issue. i was dubious there were tapes, seemed like hyperbole from trump. let's start out donald trump prepared may 12th -- let's go back, there we go, cut two. james comey better hope there are no tapes of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press. notice he puts tapes in quotation marks. now let's go to -- sorry for t...

These questions? is there an invokation of the president of the united states of executive privilege. >> not that i'm aware of. >> why are you not answering the questions. >> because i feel it isn't appropriate. >> what you feel isn't relevant, admiral. what you feel, why aren't you answering the questions. >> we still don't have an answer to the questions. perhaps sometime soon those men will put their feelings aside and answer. there's one that could answer he said, she said battle between comey. >> you're going to be very disappointed when you hear the answer. don't worry. >> he said tapes ...