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Be around. it's not about barack obama in reality. it's what barack obama stands for and picking up on what howard and joan said a moment ago, it's rejection but it's because they believe when a political cultural fight and obama embodies everything they can't stand. >> i think he believes it. i think he doesn't like the president. most of these folks don't like the president. we're talking about folks who come to congress a lot of thermometer aren't smart. the guy you interviewed in that first clip said i wasn't here to determine whether the president is legitimately president. these are fo...

Can't stand. >> the ultimate gentleman. he's charming. whatever you think of his politics he ain't hard to take. my question -- this is a great questions a columnist. are these people saying this because they do feel a yuck factor with him or they are selling the yuck factor to the yu yucky-poos on the right. >> chris, i think it's a combination of the two. depending on which member of congress you're talking to. i think he actually believes it. i think he doesn't like the president. most of these folks don't like the president. we're talking about folks who come to congress a lot of thermomet...