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Our chief political analyst gloria borger is joining us with new information. what are you learning? >> reporter: well, dennis mcdonough, the white house chief of staff, kathleen sebelius met today with insurance industry executives over at the white house. and the read i got from the source in the room, wolf, was very clear, which was that the white house said to them, look, we need to use your expertise so please help us solve the problem. i'm told that it was a really productive meeting, wolf, that the white house took notes on what the insurance industry executives had to say. after all, t...

Has to go in. if he comes in fourth, that is not good for him. whoever wins is going to make it because expectations are high. >> dana: on michele bachmann, do you think -- you think she is out but when do you think she is out from iowa or the presidential campaign altogether? >> bob: she will stay in, because there is more debates brought together before iowa. money is going to drive her out. >> dana: money is a problem. last week theyed a a problem that the campaign said they hadn't been paid in a month and walked out. they put out a statement today. i think she stays in for a while because ...

Has to go in. if he comes in fourth, that is not good for him. whoever wins is going to make it because expectations are high. >> dana: on michele bachmann, do you think -- you think she is out but when do you think she is out from iowa or the presidential campaign altogether? >> bob: she will stay in, because there is more debates brought together before iowa. money is going to drive her out. >> dana: money is a problem. last week theyed a a problem that the campaign said they hadn't been paid in a month and walked out. they put out a statement today. i think she stays in for a while because ...

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